The Birth Story:
Caesar Augustus ordered Quirinius to tax the people and take a census. For the census and taxation, Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem where Jesus was born. An angel appears and warns them of Herod's plot to kill Jesus, so they flee to Egypt until Herod's death.

Relevant History:
King Herod died in 4BCE and then his land was spit among his sons. His son Herod Archelaus, however, was a spectacularly poor ruler and got kicked out of office and replaced by Quirinius in 6CE. In 6CE, Quirinius was ordered to take the census.

WHAT??????:
How was Jesus born both BEFORE Herod's death in 4BCE and AFTER the census in 6CE?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirinius
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great

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Well, one source ( http://www.new-life.net/chrtms10.htm ) spends over 5,000 words guestimating that Sept. 29, 5 B.C. is the date, tho at the same time admitting that early Christians did not decide a date until 336 A.D.

They also stated the death of Herod was based on info from Josephus, " Herod died the spring of 4 B.C. (according to the Jewish historian, Josephus)." But if there was nothing solid about Jesus' birth until 336, how did Josephus determine when 4 B.C. actually occurred?

Kinda gives credence to "Did Jesus even exist?"

[quote="factchecker"]But if there was nothing solid about Jesus' birth until 336, how did Josephus determine when 4 B.C. actually occurred?quote]

Are you suggesting that in order to determine the year you must first determine when Jesus was born?

GAM wrote:

The Birth Story: Caesar Augustus ordered Quirinius to tax the people and take a census. For the census and taxation, Joseph and Mary traveled to Bethlehem where Jesus was born. An angel appears and warns them of Herod's plot to kill Jesus, so they flee to Egypt until Herod's death. Relevant History: King Herod died in 4BCE and then his land was spit among his sons. His son Herod Archelaus, however, was a spectacularly poor ruler and got kicked out of office and replaced by Quirinius in 6CE. In 6CE, Quirinius was ordered to take the census. WHAT??????: How was Jesus born both BEFORE Herod's death in 4BCE and AFTER the census in 6CE? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quirinius http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod_the_Great

why do you come to this forum and spread anti Christion rhetoric. you do that so well over at the xn forums.

from what i understand, this is a place for believers to share with each other the love of Jesus Christ. if you want to be skeptical of Christianity, why not head on over to the xn forums???

So, truth is anti-christian?

Why are you trying to kick people out of this site? Do you think you own it? That's pretty cocky for someone with 9 posts.

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A quick look-see at the intro for this particular forum (Library) finds this: "To research Christian history, atheism, agnosticism, non-Christian philosophies and world religions"

Hardly equates with Jasper's, "from what i understand, this is a place for believers to share with each other the love of Jesus Christ." does it?

Jasper, see anything incorrect in my post, or are you just scared?

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factchecker wrote:

A quick look-see at the intro for this particular forum (Library) finds this: "To research Christian history, atheism, agnosticism, non-Christian philosophies and world religions" Hardly equates with Jasper's, "from what i understand, this is a place for believers to share with each other the love of Jesus Christ." does it?

I stand corrected! how crazy is that? you got me on that on "factchecker". i received a private message months ago over at the XN Apostasy Forums telling me that Roopster was setting up an updated Christanity Forum for "Christian believers" to fellowship, because the rascals over at XN Forums delete any post from Christians who actually dare to defend Biblical truth. i was invited to come over here to discuss the Christian faith with others who held to Biblical Christianity.

as this is a "Christianity Forum", it should be obvious that the "Library" section would be devoted "To research Christian history, atheism, agnosticism, non-Christian philosophies and world religions.".....as they relate to Christian believers who come to this site to fellowship and grow in the Christian faith.

in that context, it is totally appropriate for members to research and understand what other faiths believe, including the history of the Christian faith. it is very helpful to understand what others believe because it not only is a valuable tool in reaching those around us to Christ. more importantly, it gives us the opportunity to understand just how much these false beliefs pale in contrast to the truth we have in Scripture.

so, if you are making an attempt to show how history has been "rewritten" to discredit the true history of the Christian faith, you have my deepest apology.

but, if you are posting heretical facts and a "false" history of the faith in order to discredit the very faith this forum was established for, then shame on you.

as i've said before, if you head on over to the XN Forums, that kind of "research" is greatly appreciated.

i would hope that you would not come to a forum just to try and mislead forum members with heretical propaganda in order to undermine the forum.

A false history, eh? Can you prove that? I'll wait.


Btw, I've been posting here for years.

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if you were interested in an honest discussion of Church history, i would gladly engage. however, you are simply attempting to entice gulliable believers in order to "have some fun".

in fact, posters as yourself, (as with most of the XN Forum crowd), only like to play the game when it is in someone else's playground.

if a Christian goes to "your" playground and says anything you don't like, you simply ban them from the forum. (after, of course, making snide comments about them to each other and giving the high five's)

what's worse, don't ban them at first. you simply delete the posts that you don't like, and making it look like the Christian believer simply has no response to your "enlightened postings".

perhaps you should ask why your chums over at XN have to resort to removing posts and banning people if they dare to question the opinions of the group.

Jasper, I think you're mistaken. Have you been to atheist forums? They typically allow Christians to post. They Christians just usually leave on their own after they realize they have no idea what they're talking about. Christian forums, however, are known for the tendency to silence opposing views.


So, let's get on with the history. Was my post in any way incorrect?

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